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Mubarak steps down
Zia McCorgi by Cooner
There are any number of unknowns still. Any number of questions. Any number of ways this could turn.

But right now. For today. For this moment we have witnessed a change in history and a change brought about largely by the people. We have witnessed something good in my book.

We'll see what will happen in the future if this will become a democracy of peace and reform washing away the corruption, a weak republic bought by the rich corrupt oafs, a military state, a theocracy, a terrorist state, or something else. We will not know for now. But we'll see.

for today though the people have spoken and that is a good thing.

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Hopefully things don't dissolove into chaos. They gotta get a handle on things and make sure the explody Allahu Akbars and all that bullshit don't start.

Much luck Egypt! May the rest of the Arab world (And the whole planet for that matter) be inspired to do the same.

This entire thing was a punch in the face for Al Queda's rhetoric. for decades Al Queda claimed the only way to change Egypt and the middle east and remove the dictators, which they stressed as American backed, would be through bloody terrorism and violence on the streets.

Seeing one of the most populated nations in the middle east have a peaceful rebellion has been a kick in the teeth for that rhetoric and you can see al Jezeera relishing it. We'll see how long it lasts.

Exaxctly. Mubarak himself said with him out, the country will go into chaos and bloody fighting, as "young arab men are crazy killers" is what he was himself peddling as a stereotype. The Egyptian population, yound and old alike, have proven otherwise, and it's spectacular.

And tomorrow the real work begins.

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Well, the markets are relieved. Hard to say what the real future is though.

I hadn't thought of it in the capacity of a blow to Al-Qaeda, but you're right. It was something of a velvet revolution and even if the Muslim Brotherhood (an organization with serious radical factions) touched things off, it's a clear victory for the more pacifist sides; most of the violence was started by the government.

Eh the markets get upset and relieved over anything and everything. Rarely do the markets act as a good political predictor. Lets face it capitalism does well in democracy to a point but the two are not joined at the hip. I suppose a relieved market is somewhat good for Europe and the USA and the world but as I said: eh

even if the Muslim Brotherhood ... touched things off

I going to be honest with you: I have not heard that one before or seen that in any of the news articles I read or radio reports. Can you citation this one for me (no youtube or wikipedia as a primary source)? Because while I know the MBs were there and part of the protests I hadn't heard that they touched it off or were leading it from any credible source. I had heard this started as a movement of students and middle class people protesting the high unemployment figures that spiraled into a full on protest revolt but hey I could be wrong.

That all said the Muslim Brotherhood and Al-Qaeda hate each other. I mean really hate each other to the point of violent assaults on each other throughout the middle east.

Yeah, they were talking about this on Al Jazeera...apparently it's been a Fox News talking point against the pro-democracy folks that OMG THE TERRUHISTS WILL WIN because the Muslim Brotherhood hates Mubarak and thus supported his ouster (he banned them. NO IDEA WHY THEY'D HATE HIM.). They were basically saying that the Brotherhood is a marginal group even on the street (much like our own Dominionists) and while it's possible they'd get a hand in a new government (just like Alabama sends crazy fundies to Congress) it's unlikely they'd have much influence, BECAUSE THAT'S HOW DEMOCRACY WORKS HURR.

But yeah, the Al Jazeera presenter was talking to someone at a college in Washington, D.C. and was like "...people don't really believe this bullshit, do they?" and the guy was like "Yeah, well, in America nobody fucking knows anything, so whaddaya gonna do?" It wasn't like that but they did not exactly take any talk about the Brotherhood having any effect on anything seriously.

Theoretically there are ways for marginal extremists to take over and commit acts of tyranny like they're suggesting but that does not mean A) that the entire protesters support this or want that now or B) that is must happen so yeah...

Basically I think in the early days of the Western awareness of what was going on, it wasn't clear that the American government was going to take the strong position it did, so Fox News naturally assumed the authoritarian position would be marginally more acceptable than it turned out being, which was that Mubarak <3 free markets (just like that saint Pinochet) and he also mostly tolerated Israel and U.S. America so he's obviously the best fucking thing to happen to Egypt since King Tut.

Well, you've caught me asleep at the wheel because I wasn't smart enough to save the link to that story.

All I can recall was that it was accessed from (and/or presented by) Yahoo! news on January 29.

I considered it remarkable because even though the MB and Al Qaeda hate each other now, both the radical wing of MB and Al-Qaeda seem to both be linked to the writings of Sayyid Qutb. That said, I know little of the MB outside of their more radical factions.

Either way, it wasn't a handful of radicals that pulled this off but a larger citizen's movement, so your point stands.

I think the biggest fear right now is of Egypt becoming the next Iran; I don't know how well-founded that might be, in any case.

I think when it comes to the yahoo news service, the business model is to deliver news quickly as it proceeds not to really give analysis, and the date you list, early on in the protests when people were not sure what was actually happening or if there was a shadowy occluding covering up information, that its just as possible that you read an early news story and got a fact lodged in your brain that smart people said was true but later found to be false. Happens to me all the time.

I've actually read a lot of Sayyid Qutb in college, my ethics professor felt he was a major thinker on the subject and important. I think he had some good points especially as he was writing during the cracks downs that occurred right before the ostensible end of colonialism.

I'd point out that Catholics and Protestants both draw from the same major writings, the new testament, but don't get along either as a random example. The Brother Hood and Al-Qaeda have serious decades long dislike for each other but that can of course change.

It is certainly within the realm of possibility that Egypt could replace its corrupt dictatorship with a corrupt theocracy. Its a real risk as I mentioned above. But its not the only risk and there are chances for other opertunities.

Besides, I think Iran is just as worried about being the next Egypt seeing as they've shut their internet down and wont allow any reporters in... considering protests are in their streets now.

It's definitely going to be an interesting decade.

Yes, well stockbrokers get erections every time a company cuts people's health insurance but that's not exactly a fucking good thing, is it?

settle lion settle you don't need to react that strongly I think threetails understands the differences.

I am in no way, shape, or form upholding Wall Street's reactions as a clear indicator of what's really going on.

It became clear long ago that theirs is a world with only casual contact with the real world.

Casual contact and a few lines of Columbian white. IT'S THE JIM CRAMER WAY.

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